BeGone, Godmen!!

2010-11-20T06:34:00.000-08:00

'Atheism' - Science and Philosophy of God's Nonexistence

The existence of a God has often been widely debated. As a nonbeliever of any Supreme Being or creator God, I will attempt to bring the scientific evidence against the possibility of a God or transcendental form of consciousness beyond the limits of neurological processes. Do note that this post is only a brief summary.

Philosophy

Before I begin discussing about the various evidences for the nonexistence of God, I will first discuss about the fundamental philosophy regarding the debate. First of all, the existence or nonexistence of a God cannot be proven. If a God does not exist, then obviously its nonexistence can never be proven. As an analogy, if I say that there is a Chinese teapot orbiting the sun between Earth and Mars (Russel's teapot), can anyone disprove me? Of course not. Likewise, no one can prove if it exists. Of course, we know that it does not exist because nothing proves its existence. On the other hand, if a God exists, we can never prove it unless the God decides to show itself to the world. Despite this impossibility of proving or disproving God, it is still possible to provide evidence for and against each side to add to the argument. Like the Chinese teapot analogy, an absence of empirical observation would mean that its nonexistence would be accepted unless proved otherwise.

However, the important thing to note at this juncture is that the debate revolves around evidence that shows how probable or improbable God’s existence is. It is in this post that I will give evidence for the latter in the form of scientific evidence and logical reasoning.

Part 1: The Origin of the Universe

One of the most important arguments put up by theists is the concept of the first mover, or primum movens. The idea is based on the axiom of causality which would logically indicate that a set of causes for the universe’s existence would extend to infinity, which is impossible. In order to solve the problem, theists would invoke the idea of a God. This idea is augmented by the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy in a closed system can never be created nor destroyed.

However, an important philosophical argument would render this concept false. Since the laws of physics, as well as the axiom of causality, was created at the time of the big bang, it is perfectly possible for energy to be created out of nothing and spontaneous creation to take place without the need for physical laws to be fulfilled. It is the nonexistence of causality and physical laws before the big bang that permits spontaneous creation to occur. Presently, it is thought that a hyperspace exists to allow such spontaneous creation of an infinite number of Universes. I will discuss this in more detail later on.

Part 2: The complexity of the Universe

For most people, space is simply the black sky that hovers over their heads every night. In the past century, however, the magnificence of our universe has started to reveal itself to science. To put things into perspective, the observable universe is calculated to be 93 billion light years across (one light year is equivalent to 9.46 trillion kilometres), with the Earth being at the centre (since the calculation of the horizon is based on Earth’s perspective). In the observable universe, there are approximately 8 quintillion stars, with the sun being just one of many. I derived this number from the calculation of the number of galaxies observed by the Hubble ultra deep field, multiplying that value to the area of the night sky, and multiplying that number to the number of stars in one galaxy. This is a staggering number indeed, and it shows that Earth, being only a tiny speck of dust in the great cosmic depths, is not as special as it was once thought to be.

The universe has a beautiful set of physical laws in terms of mathematical aesthetics. Equations are always symmetrical in terms of the values on both sides, the golden ratio is found naturally in organic life, and the precise arbitrary constants of the standard model allow the existence of stable matter for life to exist. I have realised that many theists enjoy using the complexity of the universe as evidence for intelligent design. Of course, all becomes clear when the anthropic principle is understood.

First of all, the laws of the universe are undoubtedly perfect for life to form. Should the mass of the proton change by a tiny fraction, stable matter would not exist. The Earth has a perfect atmosphere and temperature for life to evolve, and the laws of physics and chemistry drives evolution in a positive direction. However, this apparent coincidence is actually based on a sort of observation-selection bias. If the conditions of the universe (and Earth) were not perfect, there is absolutely no way that life could exist. If life did not exist, we wouldn’t even be here to ponder about our existence. In today, modern physics has begun to unravel a world that is much stranger than we thought. Most scientists now believe that there is more than just the three dimensions we know today. In total, eleven dimensions are thought to exist, with only the limits of sensory perception limited to the familiar three causing the illusion that higher dimensions do not exist. With this, it is also thought that an infinite number of parallel universes exist alongside ours; each with a different set of physical laws that determine how the universe works. Using the anthropic principle, we would then realise that only habitable universes can contain life. Since life is indeed formed upon rare chance, we would assume most universes to be devoid of life, or even stars. Likewise, it is only through habitable conditions of Earth that life could exist here.

Another argument related to the anthropic principle on a planetary scale is the low probability of abiogenesis. According to creationist statistics, the probability of a protein molecule forming by itself is less than that of a hurricane sweeping through a metal scrap yard and assembling a working Boeing 747 (Hoyle’s fallacy). However, when we look at the staggering number of stars in the universe, it is obvious that this probability is overcome easily. Furthermore, the 15 billion-year old universe would have provided sufficient time for this to occur. Most importantly, however, the autosynthesis of liposomes and microspheres (membrane-bound RNA, believed to the earliest form of life on Earth) has been performed in the laboratory. This shows that the probability calculated by the creationists is not accurate in the first place.

Another argument that is often put up by theists is the apparent beauty of nature. To them, the grandeur of the sunset and breathtaking views of Earth from atop a mountain is due to the work of intelligent design. However, what they fail to take into account is the fact that our brains are adapted to the Earth and universe that we inhabit after four billion years of constant evolution. As an analogy, us humans would often feel repulsed at the sight of a female cockroach. To a male cockroach, however, the structure of a female cockroach is perfectly and beautifully designed. This was a requirement for reproduction and their survival as a species. The most important thing about this analogy, however, is that it shows how beauty is only the result of adapted psychology. This means that the mathematical and aesthetic beauty of the universe is the byproduct of evolution and not a creator. This brings me to my next point on evolution.

Part 3: Evolution

The theory of evolution is often one of the most widely-debated topics as it directly challenges the claims made by the Christian genesis. Although evolution is described as a ‘theory’, it has as much doubt in biology as quantum physics had in physics. This is important to note as many creationists argue that evolution is ‘only a theory’. By their definition, atomic theory and the theory of relativity would be only theories. As an analogy of scientific theories and facts, the constant rising of the sun in the East everyday is now established as a fact since all observational evidence proves it. If, however, the sun rises in the West one day, the theory would be proved wrong. The same goes for evolution: to date, all scientific data supports it. However, it is very susceptible to being disproven because a single evidence against it would render it untrue. In fact, the theory is supported by a massive amount of evidence which I will now put forward. At the same time, I will also clarify some of the misconceptions about evolution based on the people who argue against it.

First of all, what exactly is evolution? Evolution is actually the process whereby small changes in the form of genetic mutation occur along every generation that produces a substantial shift in genetic composition of an organism from its distant ancestors and is naturally selected due to its chances of survival. Evolution is a gradual process that occurs in every generation. While the genetic composition of the offspring is almost genetically identical to that of the parents, small changes in genes over hundreds or thousands of generations would eventually cause a significant change in the observed characteristics that differentiate the descendent species from the ancestral species. Traits that are beneficial for an organism’s survival is selected preferentially due to the fact that organisms with beneficial traits would survive better and hence be able to reproduce. Over time, constant sexual reproduction would cause beneficial genes to be spread across the entire population of a species, causing a shift in the genetic composition.

It is important to note that all organisms are transitional species between two others. Due to the fact that evolution is a gradual process, transitional fossils exist to show the smooth transition of one species to the next. In the case of humans, the chimpanzee-like australopithecines evolved to species with the genus homo, such as Homo erectus and Homo habilis right up to homo sapiens as shown by fossil evidence. Although many creationists maintain that evolution is false because humans evolved from monkeys, it is important to note that modern species do not evolve from modern species. Rather, humans and monkeys share a common ape-like ancestor. In fact, all organisms share a common ancestor with one another. The only difference is, the greater the difference in genetic composition, the more distant that common ancestor is.

Another important evidence for evolution, besides the transitional fossils, is the experimental observations of evolution occurring in the laboratory. Known as the Escherichia Coli Long term evolution experiment, twelve containers of the bacteria are allowed to grow in a nutrient broth of glucose and citric acid. Due to the rapid rate of reproduction, a small sample of the bacteria would be extracted from each container daily and allowed to reproduce to the original amount on the next day. The rest of the bacteria would be frozen for observational analysis. The experiment has been going on for over twenty years, and has recently reached the 50,000th generation early this year. The significance of this experiment is that the results showed ongoing evolution in all of the different containers. The bacteria in each different container would take a different evolutionary path due to random mutations. The results were indeed stunning. At first, the original bacteria sample could only thrive on glucose as the source of food. However, one sample suddenly managed to evolve and utilise the citric acid mixed with the glucose in the nutrient broth, resulting in a sudden surge in bacteria count for that particular flask. This shows that ongoing evolution can and has been observed, and the fact that it is done based on empirical methods would mean that evolution can be directly verified.

Intelligent design, besides having only a few arguments, has much evidence to disprove it. In human males, the vas deferens (the tube carrying semen from the testes) loops over the ureter before making its way down to the penis. This is unintelligent design as the looping of the vas deferens requires the wasting and channelling of more resources to the building of the extended tube. From an ecological perspective, this is a detriment to the survival of the organism as the resources used could be channelled to other areas that would have otherwise improved other aspects of survival. From an evolutionary point of view, however, all becomes clear. In our ancestors, the scrotum was located above the bladder. After millions of years of evolution, the location of the scrotum ‘moved’ downwards to its present position due to the benefits of having it exposed to the ambient air which is of a lower temperature. During this process, the vas deferens would have to loop over the ureter by that path.

Another evidence of unintelligent design is from the ecological perspective of a forest. In forests, and especially in tropical rainforests, trees compete for sunlight by growing taller than the other trees. Although resources are wasted to increase the tree’s height, the benefits of gaining more sunlight for photosynthesis outweighs the extra resources used. From the perspective of a single tree, this is a requirement for competition. From the perspective of the entire forest, however, large amounts of resources are wasted: if all the trees did not compete with one another, the resultant intensity of sunlight falling on the surface of the trees would still be the same. As an analogy, spectators from a concert might start to stand to get a better view of the performance. However, since their act of standing up would block the view of the people behind that person, the people sitting behind would thus stand up to prevent the person from blocking their view. Over time, everyone would be standing up and the result would still be the same. From an evolutionary point of view, the wastage of resources is due to the fact that evolution occurs on an individual basis and not as a whole.

Part 4: Morality

Many theists disregard the study of science as they think that it is the work of a devil. This is an extremely closed-minded thought. Good and evil do not exist: They are concepts created by us humans. Good usually refers to morally upright acts, or acts that seem ethical. There is no clear distinction between good and evil, as changing circumstances would change what defines both. Furthermore, behaviour is the result of both our psychology (i.e. greed, sex drive), and the living environment (e.g. bad childhood). All people are created with a somewhat similar psychology (with slight variation as a result of genetic mutation), but different living environment. Personality is determined by experiences and not the existence of a soul.

Yet, why do we stand up against injustice? The answer does not lie in a god, but with evolution once again. By feeling pity for another member of the same species, we are increasing our chances of survival. Of course, you might argue that animal-lovers are common and this would contradict evolution. However, evolution does have an explanation for it. It is known as reciprocal altruism (you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours). Reciprocal altruism refers to the apparent non-selfish act involving first helping another organism at the expense of one’s own survival. This is evident in symbiotic relationships between species. Within a single species, each organism has ideal behavioural characteristics that lie somewhere in between all-greedy and all-giving. This ensures that while an organism would aid and cooperate with other members of the species, a form of selfishness must exist to ensure the survival of itself.

Evolution cares nothing for the comfort of any organism. The many wasps sting an insect prey as a host for reproduction. By strategically stinging the ganglia of the host prey, the prey would be paralysed, thereby enabling the wasp to inject its eggs into the body of the insect. Throughout this process, the host insect is kept alive, only paralysed. The larvae hatched from the eggs would then move on to devour the meat of the host insect while it is still alive. This is indeed a traumatising death for the host insect. Yet, this is important for the survival of the wasp as it ensures that the meat is kept fresh. This is a fact of evolution, and nature does not care whether the host insect suffers a traumatising death. Justice often fails to be done. That is a fact of life that has to be accepted. Morality is merely an illusion created by reciprocal altruism. Does this mean that the theory of evolution would cause chaos in society? Perhaps it will. Theists often use this argument that by accepting Darwinism into society, injustice would pervade. This argument is also known as argumentum ad consequentiam. However, our preferences do not decide how nature works. Whether we like it or not, evolution is still true. Per contra, even if Darwinism is accepted by the scientific community, it does not mean that society would function based on its principle. This, however, is beyond the scope of this post.

Part 5: Are humans the only species to qualify the entry to heaven?

This is perhaps one of the most direct evidence against the existence of a God. Many religions assume that only humans would go to heaven. However, fossil evidence shows that there is no clear distinction between humans and apes. Transitional fossils exist with a smooth transition until the human species. If this is the case, how do we define what a human is? Humans are continually evolving, and because the process is so gradual there each successive generation can be considered genetically identical from the previous one. Yet, there exists a slight change in DNA from one generation to the other. This amounts to large scale changes over millions of years. This also means, however, that there is a loss of clear definition of a human, and thus who goes to heaven. The idea of hell is also based on a fallacy. How do we define good and bad? There is no common consensus that clearly defines the two.

Even if all creatures go to heaven, how do you differentiate conscious life from non-conscious life? You might say that this lies in the presence of a brain. However, there is also no clear distinction between what is considered as a brain. For one, some organisms contain a centralised and complex network of nervous tissue but lack what we would consider as a brain. Like I mentioned previously, evolution is a gradual process and no clear distinctions can be made. If a conscious organism is but a smooth transition from an unconscious one (as proven in fossil record), how do we define what can transcend physical death? It is unlikely that a benevolent and omnipotent God would favour a certain group of organisms over another.

Even assuming that all creatures, both conscious and unconscious, would transcend death and go to heaven (or hell), how do we define life and non-life? Viruses show characteristics of both, and the first organisms were just a clump of membrane-bounded RNA. From all the evidence above, it is thus obvious to note that it is unlikely that a God could exist. The absence of any clear distinction between all forms of life, as well as life and non-life, would indicate that it is impossible for any afterlife to exist.

Part 6: The Paranormal

Paranormal activities in the form of haunting by entities returning from the afterlife have been reported in most, if not all cultures across the globe. These cultures exist independently from one another. It is possible, however, that the idea of the supernatural has existed in the very first humans who originated in Africa. For the benefit of the doubt, however, I will assume that the ideas of ghosts were created independently from the different cultures.

If the idea of supernatural forces influencing human lives were created independently across the world, does this mean that ghosts really do exist? The answer is a vehement ‘no’. Reports of paranormal activities are more likely to be the side effect of an evolutionary byproduct. First of all, our natural curiosity towards the universe (which has benefited us by enabling us to develop technology that started in primitive humans) results in a tendency to attribute unknown gaps in information to an unknown force. For example, our distant ancestors believed that fire was the result of a God and required the adding of firewood as a way to appease it and continue producing fire. This characteristic of the human mind has far-reaching consequences that resulted in many theists arguing about gaps in science through an argument from ignorance, or argumentum ad ignoratiam.

The second cause of supernatural beliefs is the result of the psychological need to believe in the continuation of consciousness beyond death. When organisms evolved from non-conscious life to conscious life, the need for survival is transferred from a physical level to a psychological level. This results in us not being able to perceive a time when conscious activity ceases. As a result, we would tend to think that some sort of continuation of one’s self and mind would transcend beyond physical death, resulting in a belief that dead ancestors would manifest in a ghost-like entity capable of returning from the dead.

Most paranormal encounters are the result of psychological activities that stem from psychological inadequacies prevalent in all humans, such as paraedolia, or the natural tendency to look for patterns. Hallucinations are also a common cause, and are often augmented by one’s belief system. Experiments in virtual reality have proven that whenever a person enters a place believed by that person to be haunted, he or she would observe entities or objects that are not really there. This effect can be increased by the addition of electromagnetic fields and infrasound.

Reports of paranormal activity observed by more than one person simultaneously cannot be attributed to psychological effects. However, they too, can be explained by physical effects not quite understood. Human emotions are extremely powerful energies that can leave a signature at a certain location. This is often the cause of residual haunting. Although the neurological model of consciousness and emotions is not yet completely understood, biochemical reactions occurring as a result of powerful emotions such as a traumatic death might release vast amounts of energy, possibly electromagnetic in nature. If the energy is powerful enough, local conditions such as the presence of material in soil that can be easily magnetised might act as some sort of natural recorder. This energy can be replayed continuously for centuries when the electromagnetic fields interact with the brain of the visitor. Note, however, that this is only a theory and that a diverse range of scientific phenomena can account for this. The growing field of Quantum mechanics might also provide another explanation for such paranormal activity.

Conclusion

In a nutshell, the existence of a God is highly unlikely. Given all the scientific evidence, rational thinkers would easily assume that the existence of a God is highly improbable. While there is still the possibility that a God exists, our current understanding of the universe shows that it is highly unlikely that there is such a possibility. For one, a God is not required for all that we see today, and closer observation of life and the universe indicates that God does not exist.

as in http://bit.ly/conquest1 by IVAN BOK
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2010-10-27T03:49:00.000-07:00

'TIME goes by...' '

Most of us have been taught to stay away from discussing politics and religion so as not to disturb the dinner guests. Well, as most of you know, I’ve been covering politics for so long I can barely discuss anything else.

And the freedom TGB gives me in writing these little essays compels me to confess that I do not recall when it was that I came out of the closet. That’s when I acknowledged that I’m an atheist, that I do not believe there is a God.

In fact, I don’t know why I capitalized the “G.” Although it may be blasphemous, I have had a bumper sticker that says, “I believe in Dog.” That’s because I have a love affair with my two Corgies and I generally have a higher regard for animals than many of the humans I’ve covered in high positions. I have wondered if the Bibles got it wrong and meant to spell it “Dog.”

Seriously, coming out of the closet happened slowly. At first I suppose I was an agnostic, telling myself and others that there may be a higher power, that I could not define, for all things alive have in common a compulsion to live, survive and grow.

Where does that come from? I didn’t know. I studied philosophy in university and read Aquinas’ proofs for the existence of god and understood Aristotle’s idea of the “prime” or “unmoved mover.”

I did not know whether or not I believed in the god that hung around guiding our lives. But I could not bring myself to believe in a personal being who played magic tricks like George Burns. If man was made in his image, what must he look like? Or she?

I am told by friends that something or some one must have caused the “big bang” and that somebody or some thing or power had to be there to start things off in evolution. But I can’t even imagine that possibility. Some giant hand cranking the universe into motion?

I remember arguing in a philosophy class that if the universe was infinite, why did it have to have a beginning? I did not know, and neither does anyone else. But that was an agnostic copout. Now I know. As Stephen Hawking now asserts, if there was a beginning, there is an explanation that did not need a god.

But isn’t the spirituality that we all feel evidence of god? Experiencing the sublime is spiritual, but it’s no proof of a god. All of us have experienced spiritual moments when we wonder what moves us to think, probe and overcome. Music moves me. Van Gogh’s “Starry Night” is spiritual and beautiful. Beethoven’s Ode to Joy can make me cry.

All men are brothers came from the Judaic concept that there is but one god. I am a Jew who takes pride in that heritage. But I cannot believe that god, looking like Charlton Heston’s Moses, exists.

It is true that there is some sort of order in our universe; we can predict the movements in the solar system. But there is also chaos (see Haiti). Our bodies, the results of millions of years of evolution, are indeed wondrous, but they tend to get sick and even die from little bugs and terrible afflictions.

The believers’ god works in strange and mysterious ways, but what sort of omnipotent, omniscient god tolerates a child with terminal leukemia or the holocaust of six million “chosen people” or the genocides in Bosnia and the Congo and the Sudan?

Believers praise god for sparing them from the tornado’s wrath (as if the tornado was anthropomorphic), but do they blame god for the deaths of those who were not spared?

But I have digressed. I have been comforted in coming out as an atheist by the September 28 Pew Research Center’s survey of religious knowledge in the U.S. It turns out that atheists or agnostics scored highest on a test consisting of questions about various religions. I should note here that 95 percent of Americans believe in god; just five percent of us are nonbelievers.

Jews and Mormons came in a close second or third. Indeed, the most observant or fundamentalist among us tended to know the least.

Half the respondents did not know that Martin Luther inspired the Protestant reformation or that the Golden Rule (“Do unto others...”) is not one of the Ten Commandments. Atheists/agnostics knew most about religion, the survey concluded, because they tend to have more education.

I would add that atheists are unencumbered by dogma. Atheists generally are more free to think of things that no one had thought of.

Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin and Einstein broke free from god and religion and some suffered for it. Only recently has the Catholic Church recognized that the earth revolves around the sun; and Judaism forgave the philosopher Spinoza, who was excommunicated from the Jewish community in Amsterdam because he believed that god was everywhere in nature; indeed god was nature and vice versa.

I should point out here that I draw a distinction – a sharp one at that – between those who worship and hope there is a god, and organized religion. That’s because the average believer in god stands in awe of the possibility there is a supreme being that he or she cannot know or fathom. But most organized religions have the temerity to define, limit and tell us what god thinks, and which country he/she will bless in war.

Organized religions, on a personal level, use books written eons ago by uneducated (by our standards), mostly superstitious and primitive minds to tell us how to behave. And as we know, some people believe these are literal truths.

I can’t quarrel with the Ten Commandments, but they are honored in the breach - that is, they are broken so often by god-fearing men and women, they are not to be taken seriously.

If they were truly observed as the bibles and koran admonish, The New York Times' Nicholas Kristoff told us in his own test of religious knowledge that the Old Testament stipulates that a girl who does not bleed on her wedding night should be stoned to death. Kristoff notes that Jesus made no comment on homosexuality, but the Old Testament says, “if a man also lies with mankind as he lieth with a woman” both shall be put to death.

All this is silly and outdated for most of us, even those who believe in god. But about 20-25 percent who are fundamentalist Christians and ultra-orthodox Jews and Muslims believe their scriptures are literally true and the word of god. But, alas, they also believe literally that non-believers are infidels and therefore a threat. And if there is no wall of separation between the religion and the state, then a threat against the religion becomes a threat against the state.

When I visited Israel as a journalist with U.S. secretaries of state who were there for the first time, Israeli officials took us on a tour of Yad Vashem, the somber and heart-wrenching memorial to the holocaust that cost the lives of six million Jews, not to mention Gypsies, Russians, Poles and anti-Nazi Germans.

In Damascus, we were taken to the Mosque where Saladin is buried and there we learned that the crusaders who came from England were not the heroes of Christendom who we studied in school or saw in romantic movies, but bloodthirsty rapists and conquerors wielding the cross as a reason to slaughter Muslims and Jews.

Saladin, a moderate and even chivalrous ruler who treated his captives well, at last defeated the Third Crusade in the 12th century. But the memory of the crusades among Muslims lingers and has been seen in the reaction to American aggression in the Middle East.

Indeed, as I think on it, much of my reporting has been about religious-based conflicts:

Between Hindus and Muslims in India and Pakistan

The semi-secular state of Afghanistan and the Taliban, which would resurrect the 10th century

The Shiites of Iran and the Sunnis of Iraq

Israel and its Muslim neighbors, some of them secular like the Palestinians, some deeply religious like Hamas

The Protestants and Catholics of Northern Ireland

The Serbian war against Bosnia pitted Catholics against Muslims

Hitler was Catholic, raised in an anti-Semitic environment

Stalin was raised in the Russian Orthodox tradition and he attended seminary, from which he was expelled, in backward Georgia.

It seems the more devout the religion, the more violent its actions against its perceived enemies. Kristoff points out that using suicide vests and women for terror bombings began not with the Jihadists, but with the Tamil Hindus in Sri Lanka.

I think it can be said that more people have been killed or subjugated in the name of an organized religion than in the name of atheism.

When the state religion or church has been attacked, the motives of the opposition were generally political as when Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth replaced the Catholic Church with the Church of England, and when the Bolsheviks, who overthrew the Czar and all but outlawed the Russian Orthodox Church that supported the monarchy.

Similarly, the reactionary and corrupt Catholic Church in Latin America became a target of revolutionaries. Wasn’t the attack on the World Trade Center and the deaths of thousands a religion-based initiative?

I do not believe, however, that any nation has gone to war or committed atrocities in the name of atheism.

Yet even now, in this country, the legal wall of separation between church and state is hacked at by religionists who hold atheism almost a crime. We are told by the rabid right that liberals and other nonbelievers are trying to kill Christmas, as if the merchandisers have no responsibility.

These Christian fundamentalists, the American Taliban, would figuratively stone the homosexual or the kill the doctor who performs abortions. One Pew poll in 2006 found that more than 40 percent of Americans don’t believe in evolution and that included prominent Republicans running for president two years ago.

These fundamentalists, according to the poll, deny the science that tells us the earth is millions of years old. In lockstep with the Republican Party, they deny climate change and man’s role in global warming. I suppose god has decided to kill the polar bears.

So it was a comfort to see that I had admirable company when I came out as an atheist: Woody Allen, Kurt Vonnegut, Richard Dawkins, Katharine Hepburn, Warren Buffett, Salman Rushdie, Diane Keaton, Bill Gates, Gene Roddenberry, among dozens of celebrities whom you can find at Celebrity Atheist List.

Finally, there are many quotes from prominent writers artists and statesmen proclaiming their atheism, but my favorite came recently from the great novelist Philip Roth during an interview on CBS’s Sunday Morning. Roth, who grew up in New Jersey, said, “I don’t have a religious bone in my body.”

“So do you feel like there’s a god out there?” he was asked.

“I’m afraid there isn’t, no...When the whole world doesn’t believe in god, it’ll be a great place.”

As posted on bit.ly/tgb2710100531 by Ronny Binnet

2010-10-11T06:57:00.000-07:00

'Pastor Terry Jones' is our latest hero for atheism.. '

Thank you Pastor Terry for advancing our cause. My occasional series, Heroes of Atheism, last time featured a Jew who resorts to extreme action to prevent innocents going abroad ''inappropriately'' on the Sabbath and Muslims who stone adulterers to death.

It’s time now to turn to the third of the Abrahamic trio, our Christian brethren. Pastor Terry is the Koran (almost) burning, gay vilifying, gobbledygook spouting minister from the Dove World Outreach Centre in the town of Gainsville, Florida, in the US. Despite its global name, his Pentecostal church has a rumoured congregation of about 50. He and his church suffer from the usual array of vices of these kinds of churches. There are allegations of personality cult, fines for false claims to be doctor of theology, tussles with the tax office and allegations of dodgy finances. His flock is numerically irrelevant. His antics essentially rely on putting obnoxious statements on a sign outside his church and letting the world’s media, myself now included, promote his profile around the world free of charge. Perhaps we are the real mugs in the Pastor Terry story. He should be just some anonymous freak with ugly views but he’s been anointed by the world media and is basking in the attention.

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When the people of Gainsville elected a gay mayor, he erected a sign proclaiming, ''No Homo Mayors''. Pastor Terry is very active on the issue of homosexuality and he relies on Leviticus for this stance. Now Leviticus, the third book of the bible, is notorious for its appalling rules and prohibitions. Having just re-read it, Leviticus is just bizarre murderous drivel. I will blog on Leviticus another time for it is truly a friend of atheism. Homosexuals must be put to death according to God (Leviticus, 20:13). But then a little later, having a haircut, having sex during a woman’s period, inter-breeding your cattle or sowing the seeds of two plants in one field are all sinful. So start collecting the stones, hang around any farm or barber's shop for a good old stoning I say. I’m sorry, I digress.

The point is that Pastor Terry relies on the most ridiculous book in all of the literature of faith to damn gays and does so in offensive ways.

However, there is an important group called Americans United for the Separation of Church and State (AU for short). AU has pointed out that a tax-deduction status has a precondition of no political use of funds. So Pastor Terry cut off the word ''Mayors'' and so it now reads merely ''No Homos''. The man is an inspiration of innovation. If you want to hear an illuminating and indeed excruciating BBC interview with Pastor Terry click here.

And now we come to his Koran burning proposal. You will know that this idea, designed to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11, was roundly condemned and ultimately he drew back from the brink.

Pastor Terry seems to be quite phobic about Islam. He has written a book about his detestation of Islam - Islam is of the Devil. He has repeatedly spouted about the 10 reasons to burn the Koran and nominated September 11 as ''International Burn a Koran Day''. Pressure from within America led to his back down but his reversal must have been informed by the certain knowledge that other haters would step up to the breach. For hate begets hate and a flotilla of Koran burners left port on 9/11. The Koran was desecrated less publicly from Washington to Wyoming by fringe self-appointed ministers.

Well what is to be made of this opportunistic and reckless chancer? What does the Pastor Terry phenomenon tell us? Quite clearly, Pastor Terry has desecrated more than the Koran for he has desecrated the name of faith. His shonky church, his detestation of the other, be they Muslims or gays or Jews (for he is not a fan) pregnancy termination clinics (completely legal in my enlightened state of Victoria) and the financial allegations of his personality cult all fit the paradigm of the worst that faith has to offer the world.

This of course leads us to the eternal quandary, is Pastor Terry the tip of the iceberg or an irrelevant freak? Is he emblematic of the awfulness of belief or a peripheral straw man? Whatever, he is unintentionally a worthy foot soldier for atheism and I salute him accordingly. A grateful atheist hails this man who tars all people of faith with his misanthropic brush.

But there are other issues that Pastor Terry raises. First of all, why should atheists care if the various types of faith engage in warring banjos? Why would the godless care if a pastor in one faith (that we don’t believe in) insults another faith (that we also don’t believe in)? The critical word in that sentence is ''insults''. We should deplore any insult, even in the internecine wars of faith. The crusading movement is now almost a thousand years old. It has been revived in the past couple of decades and even if unbelievers don’t care for the underlying beliefs, any ratcheting up of the conflict is appalling for it adds to a millennium of killing.

The second issue is the serendipity of fate. Why did Pastor Terry achieve world infamy when there is a whole world of religious nutcases to vilify? It is something I continue to ponder in wonder. I have strived for such infamy my whole life and yet the gods of worldwide controversy have ignored me. What is his secret? It is luck or karma? I don’t believe in the latter so it has to be the former.

The final issue is this. The only question on which Pastor shows any coherence on is the issue of Islamic sensitivity. He quite correctly argues that Bibles and secular symbols such as flags are desecrated daily by Muslims. I deplore this. I deplore actions such as the artwork ''Piss Christ'', which mixed urine and an image of the crucifixion, understandably outraging Christians.

Pastor Terry marvels that while flags and Bibles are destroyed daily in Islamic countries, why couldn’t he do the same without attracting such bile and rancour. Indeed there is some sense that we are rewarding the inappropriate behaviour of a faith that appears eternally vengeful through its various fatwas, murders and desecrations by the Muslim equivalents of Pastor Terry. There is a tiny bit of truth to this but generally we must condemn those who trade in the currency of insults and hatred. And for this, Pastor Terry is embraced by a grateful atheist as a hero of the godless. Congratulations Pastor Terry, you are truly atheism’s latest hero.

2010-09-23T00:50:00.000-07:00

'Witchcraft' case gets instant attention of astrologers, palmists.. '

Wednesday September 22 2010
By NOUMAN KHALIL

An alleged witchcraft practitioner, who claimed to have the ability to change people's future with 'black magic,' is now seeking God's help in police custody.
Forty-four-year-old Yogendra Pathak of Brampton was last week arrested for fraud and pretending to practice witchcraft after police received at least one complaint of cheating and defrauding a family.

"He was offering to practice 'magic' in solving people's problems and was charging money for that," Peel Regional Police's Sgt Zahir Shah told Focus.

At his residence situated at 23 Richgrove Drive (Castlemore Rd&Goreway Dr) in Brampton, Pathak was offering to solve, with guarantee, a range of problems such as disputes or barriers in marriages, love affairs and several health related issues by healing a person spiritually.

In his public advertisements, the suspect described himself as a renowned Kenyan astrologist, palmist, gifted psychic and spiritual healer.

He also claimed to have the ability to clear any barriers in issues such as immigration, unemployment, financial problems as well as helping students in academic careers and examinations.

The case is being watched closely by some who fear any fallout could inevitably impact them.

Pandit Prithipal, another well-known service provider in the GTA, said roughly 200-300 people are currently practicing astrology to help clients in different ways.

Apart from South Asians, communities from the Caribbean, Europe, Africa and elsewhere also offer parallel services.

Sgt Shah agreed there are other people who are also offering the same kind of services, but said: "We cannot act unless we have a complaint."

A matter of 'chemical imbalance'

Prithipal said he has been practising for more than 30 years but not a single person complained or got upset with him.

About others, Prithipal said: "I don't know which one of them is genuine or fraudâ?¦ these numbers are huge, but I can tell you about myself that I offer services of advising in good faith as how to heal from a 'chemical imbalance.'"

He said that actually clients suffer from 'chemical imbalance' due to which they feel sick and disturbed. "This 'chemical imbalance' can be fixed through eating healthy foods like colourful vegetablesâ?¦ and that's what I advise," said Prithipal.

Police believe Pathak has been offering these services for well over a year and are trying to determine how many people may have been victimized due to the suspect's alleged actions.

He has been charged with one count of fraud under $5,000 and one count of pretending to practice witchcraft and will be making a court appearance Oct 7.

Anyone who may have been victimized by the suspect, or who may have information pertaining to this investigation, is asked to contact the 21 Division Criminal Investigation Bureau at 905-453-2121, ext 2133 or Peel Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).

2010-09-21T06:11:00.000-07:00

Australia’s New Prime Minister is an ATHEIST!

Prime Minister Julia Gillard

Congratulations Australia!

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd was a regular at Canberra church services and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is known as a devout Catholic.

In contrast, Ms Gillard says that while she greatly respects other people’s religious views, she does not believe in God.

Ms Gillard has been quizzed on personal topics including her attitude to religion and her relationship with her partner during interviews this morning.

She says does not go through religious rituals for the sake of appearance.

“I am not going to pretend a faith I don’t feel,” she said.

“I am what I am and people will judge that.

“For people of faith, I think the greatest compliment I could pay to them is to respect their genuinely held beliefs and not to engage in some pretence about mine.”

“I grew up in the Christian church, a Christian background. I won prizes for catechism, for being able to remember Bible verses. I am steeped in that tradition, but I’ve made decisions in my adult life about my own views.

“I’m worried about the national interest. About doing the right thing by Australians. And I’ll allow people to form their own views about whatever is going to drive their views.

“What I can say to Australians broadly of course is I believe you can be a person of strong principle and values from a variety of perspectives.”

2010-09-20T05:22:00.000-07:00

Comedy writer Ariane Sherine, (L) Professor Richard Dawkins (C) and Guardian writer Polly Toynbee (R) pose for pictures beside a London bus displaying an advertising campaign with the words: 'There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life," in London, on January 6, 2009. Ariane Sherine objected to the Christian adverts on some London buses, which carried an Internet address warning that people who rejected God were condemned to spend eternity in "torment in hell". She sought five-pound (7.80-dollar, 6.25-euro) donations towards a "reassuring" counter-advertisement -- and received the backing of the British Humanist Association (BHA) and atheist campaigner Professor Richard Dawkins. 800 buses around Britain will carry the slogans as well as posters on the underground system in London.

2010-09-15T06:23:00.001-07:00

Obama is Atheist, Not Muslim

Nearly one in five Americans think President Obama is a Muslim, according to a recent poll -- but conservative commentator Ann Coulter says instead that he is an atheist.

"The nonsense about President Obama being a Muslim has got to stop," Coulter wrote on the conservative website TownHall.com. "I rise to defend him from this absurd accusation by pointing out that he is obviously an atheist."

Coulter, known for her brash, often humor-tinged commentary, wrote that the "only evidence for Obama's Christianity is that he faithfully attended the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years."

While 20 years of attendance at a church may seem like good evidence, Coulter ruthlessly slams Wright, reducing his sermons to "hate-filled demagoguery."

Coulter makes the case that questioning a public person's religion should not be out of bounds, pointing to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, televangelists who were disgraced in a series of sex and money scandals, as examples of people practicing false Christianity.

"No sentient human is required to take Obama's profession of Christianity any more seriously than if it were coming from a 1980s blow-dried, money-grubbing televangelist with a mistress on the side," she wrote.

After making her case about the president, Coulter declares, "All liberals are atheists... There's only one true Christian liberal in the country and that's Mike Huckabee."

2010-09-11T23:44:00.000-07:00

CAUTION

Caution: The following topics are taken from BIBLE!! If you are Under the age of 21, you may be offended by strong sexual matters, or things Violent in nature, please refrain from continuing to read this post.

This article includes:
Abortion, Bestiality, Cannibalism, Child Abuse, Family BreakUp, Homosexuality, Incest, Prostitution, e.t.c. crimes which are condemned.

Abortion:

Exodus 21:22
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. "

"Departing of fruit" imply miscarriage.

Number 31:17
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him."

"Knowing man by lying with him" implies losing virginity or deflowering, and also pregnant women.
In the passage Moses says kill all the deflowered women, and all the male children, in a order so that Nobody is left to take revenge for the murder of their mothers.
And only male children so that Girl children are left for the so called "Men of God" and Moses himself.

Adultery:

Leviticus 20:10
"And the man that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

2nd Samuel 11:2-4
"And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon."

"And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?"

"And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house."

What do you think about David?
Corrupt Politicians of Today do just the same. They make Laws, Break Laws,
They do what they want. David didn't follow Bible...
How can we expect the politicians to follow laws of their country..

Cannibalism:

2nd Kings 6:28-29
"And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow."

"So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son."

How disgusting. So mythical cannibals followed BIBLE and got the idea to taste human flesh...
How cruel their heart might be, that they boiled a small boy alive, AND ATE HIM!!

I now feel sorry about the mother who complains, that she gave the other woman to eat her child but got nothing in return!!

2010-09-11T23:32:00.000-07:00

Genesis 5

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

10And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

11And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

12And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

13And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:

14And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

16And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:

17And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

18And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

19And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

20And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

26And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:

27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

30And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

31And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

32And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

There we have it a list of people living to apparently incredible ages and being sexually active well past their sell by date. This is as far as we know completely unheard of, one of the things creationists use to support their fallacy. Including the 6,000 year age of earth. So is it true ? The Answer quite simply a big NO!!
Why?
Well it seems that the ancient people needed to exaggerate the ages of their ancestors. Perhaps some thing to do with your position in society, take a look at the Sumerian King list.

The surviving clay tablet was dated by the scribe who wrote it in the reign of King Utukhegal of Erech (Uruk), which places it around 2125 B.C.E

"After kingship had descended from heaven, Eridu became the seat of kingship. In Eridu Aululim reigned 28,800 years as king. Alalgar reigned 36,000 years. Two kings, reigned 64,800 years. Eridu was abandoned and its kingship was carried off to Bad-tabira. . . .

"Total: Five Cities, eight kings, reigned 241,200 years.

It does continue I will be looking at it again later.
There are other fragments dating much older from other copies but all copies essentially stemming back to one source.

2010-09-11T01:37:00.000-07:00

Genesis 4

1.And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

So Who was the father Adam or god?

2.And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

The implication here is her children were born adults ????
So Eves Minge that god made must have looked like a hippo's yawn.

3.And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4.And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

This early "god is showing his true colours. There's Cain working his arse off, tilling, seeding, weeding and harvesting. Able lazing around watching sheep chew the cud, and who does he favour?

5.But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6.And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

Again gods alledged omniscience conspicuous by it's abscence.

7.If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

You can understand him being pissed off lets face it this is possibly the first example of a prejudice that is still rife today.

8.And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

I can't help thinking that the original moral of this tale was intended to try and prevent this kind of unfairness in the work environment.

9.And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11.And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12.When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13.And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14.Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Wait a minute! Who is there to kill him ?

16.And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

So now god is not omniprescient either.

17.And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Wife? Where are all these other people appearing from all of a sudden ?and how does one man build a city, a hamlet or maybe a very small village I can believe, but a city.!

18.And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

Just an observation but....No mention of women here.

19.And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20.And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21.And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22.And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23.And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24.If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
25.And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

What a talented family, mastering all these diverse talents but no mention of the brewer's of beer , the vintners, coopers or potters which must have existed because the narrator of these last few verses must have been very drunk.

Genesis is "Cockeyed"

2009-04-29T21:02:00.000-07:00

--continued

Genesis 6:6-7
“And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
“And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”

Though the BIBLE was written in a style that readers will only think of mankind’s evil ways, and the merciful God.
But being a little strong at heart you can feel “all that happens in this world, in space and time must be credited to our transcendent God”
Why did Lord God feel grief in his heart?
Why did he repent about making humankind?
Didn’t he know that placing the tree of knowledge and life in a strategic position will attract human attention? And there will be nothing for God left to do!!

Genesis 6:9
“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”

I just can’t get this “walking” thing. Many a times in Bible I have found Men “walking” with God!!
How can one walk with God? There is a passage from the renowned book “God: The failed Hypothesis”

A Transcendent Being Cannot Be Omnipresent
1. If God exists, then he is transcendent (i.e., outside space
and time).
2. If God exists, he is omnipresent.
3. To be transcendent, a being cannot exist anywhere in space.
4. To be omnipresent, a being must exist everywhere in space.
5. Hence it is impossible for a transcendent being to be
omnipresent.
6. Therefore, it is impossible for God to exist.

Therefore, another conclusion can be taken is:

3. Walking like other verbs needs a specific time and space to be done.
4. But God is transcendent, therefore can’t be limited by space and time.
5. Hence it is impossible for transcendent God to walk.
6. Hence Genesis is a proved folly again!!

Genesis 6:15
“And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.”

Genesis 6:19
“And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.”

After Men evolved into Homo sapiens, there was no other Evolution or Creation not attracting the human eye.
Therefore it can be stated any living being which we see today or know to be living, is impossible to be non-living at Noah’s time.
So as we perceive today,
Unique Animals in America: Maned Wolf, Giant Anteater, Anaconda, Jaguar,
Unique animals in Australia: Marsupials like Kangaroos and Koalas and Marsupial Mice, Dingo, Platypus, Wallaby, Koala, Echidna, Wombat, Kookaburra, Emu, Bandicoot, Numbat.
Must have been alive at the date, and as God’s command Noah must have brought them into his ark, the problem is:
If he went to America and Australia at such an early period then what need did Columbus have to discover America or the Portuguese sailors to include Australia in the World Map?
Europeans have long regarded kangaroos as strange animals. Early explorers described them as creatures that had heads like deer (without antlers), stood upright like men, and hopped like frogs.

Genesis 6:21
“And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.”

How did Noah care for all the animals?
Was the ark big enough?
There had to be enough room to store enough food to last Noah and his family, plus all of the animals, at least a year and maybe more depending on how long it took for vegetation to grow back. That’s a lot of food! What about drinking water?
Is it realistic to believe that Noah’s boat was big enough to store all of these animals and all of this food and water for over a year?

The ark would be 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high.
What about all of the excrement produced by all of these animals?
How did 8 people manage to feed all of those animals and deal with tons of excrement on a daily basis?
And as mentioned they had to this for 53 weeks!!
What about animals with specialized diet? That’s carnivorous animals, cannibalistic animals and Leaf-eaters?
How did plant-life survive? What about insects?

Genesis 7:20
“Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.”

This verse is a contradiction in itself!!
How come 15 cubits of rain can cover all the mountains?
The Mt. Everest is 19352.5809 cubits, and Mt. Ararat has twin peaks known as the Great Peak and the Little Peak. The height of the Great Peak is 11277.3333 cubits, and the height of the Little Peak is 8560 cubits.
Such short-sightedness is a killer!!

Genesis 7:21-22
“And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:”
“All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.”

Does "All flesh" include Whales and Sharks, and other aquatic animals?
I guess upwards of 15 cubits you can definitely find Dry land!!
There are about 1 million plus aquatic species, and much flora and fauna exist on the mountains today, which possibly were unaware of the great flood!!
Did the aquatic animals take heed of the ark?, Did not they need to be killed?

Genesis 8:21
“And the LORD smelled a sweet savor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.”

The imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth!! Who is responsible for this, Almighty God??
Why can’t you cure us again and make us forget every thing that is vicious and evil?

Genesis 9:2
“And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.”

The Lion and Tiger and the Serpent and Bear don’t listen to me God!! They don’t have any fear of the human race…
They creep into our house and take away one from us. They are so fearless that they bare their teeth at us, and growl and snap…

Genesis 9:14-15
“And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:”
“And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.”

Uh Oh!!
1. If God exists then he is Omniscient.
2. If the Bible is true then God needs to remember.
3. To be omniscient, a being doesn’t forget anything.
4. But to remember something, he must forget something.
5. But it is impossible to forget for an omniscient being.
6. But if he forgets he is not omniscient.
7. Now possibly the Bible is wrong or the God isn’t omniscient.
8. Anything might happen.

Now as I proved the God or the Bible is wrong, I can’t accuse the God because he is bigger than the Bible.
And as I am discussing the Bible here, I take the Bible to be wrong!! (Whatever, No choice )

Genesis 11:1
“And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.”

I can accuse the Bible of a thing, and every priest and Bishop has to admit to that.
i.e. The Bible is very short-sighted!!

Explore the world and then have your comments!! How can a city-mouse comment upon the country-mouse?
What will happen to the Indus Valley Civilization? (The oldest and the most influencing civilization)
Where will the Yangtze Kiang Civilization go? (The most technically advanced civilization)
Tamil, Sanskrit, Telugu, Mandarin, who will speak these languages if everyone speaks Hebrew?
I am very pissed off at this verse.

Genesis 11:9
“Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”

*#@$%!&# ****** To whosoever wrote this verse in Bible.
All the European languages are the gift of the Sanskrit and Tamil, and the South Eastern languages are from Pali and Telugu.
Mother, Father, Brother, Navigation, Trigonometry, etc. there is a long list of words
Click http://wordorigins.in find it for yourselves!!
Sanskrit hath more spread than Hebrew!! How many people in the world speak Hebrew now? Only Israel!

Genesis is "Cockeyed"

2009-04-25T21:44:00.000-07:00

So... According to James' idea "Let's take one topic at a time" I begin with the Genesis Chap-1. Lets start from Genesis Chap 1...

According to Bible...
In the beginning there was nothing....

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Where from the other 7 planets come?
Where is the heaven?
Does the heaven include all the planets?

Genesis 1:26
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

What is about that "us" and "our" thing? Numerous Gods?
Was God a pure chauvinist? Why did he create male first?
If he created Man in his own Image, Is God a male entity?

Genesis 2:9
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

Why did God made "the tree of knowledge and life" grow?
He made it grow, okay, But why at such a strategic position "midst of the garden"?
To attract negative attention, or to play with the curiosity of Men?

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

What a great lie in the Second Chapter of Bible!!
We recall Adam did not die. So God uses falsity to imbibe fear??

Genesis 2:21
"And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;"

Did he really take? Why did he take?
If he took, why didn't men lose a rib bone hence?
Why ever he needed a rib bone? Couldn't he create Eve out of air?

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. "

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Genesis 2:22
"And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."

Oops, there goes it... What a catch!!
He made Adam and Eve in Genesis 1 and again in Genesis 2, My ---!
How many times would he need to make a simple easy thing!
If he created a Woman because Man was lonely or needed to procreate, why didn't he think earlier about a Woman? and kept Adam waiting...

Genesis 2:24
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

WTF? ). I wont leave my parents in any condition!!
Talking of Hindu Scriptures though full of myths, are far better in this subject from Bible.
What will happen to the parents when they are old? Who will look after them?

Why a man's wife? Why can't a woman be independent of man?
Why Did God create the present difficulties in a woman's life?
Don't you think the social problems are due to such "cockeyed" Books?

Genesis 3:1
"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

So Did the omniscient not repent for his creation of the serpent?
Is not he sole responsible for the propagation of Satan into Human ear?
So... In Genesis days Cattle mooed, Birds chirped, but Snakes could speak!

Genesis 3:9
"And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?"

Our omnipresent God called out to someone to know where was he...
Who is Adam? Who named him Adam? The author?

Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

So how did the serpent moved before the curse? Could it walk!!
No no no no... Your curse is expired God!!
The Serpent now eats live men and cattle, no more dust!!

Genesis 3:17
"And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"

Is it another crime to give ear to wife's words?

Genesis 3:22
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

God became so fearful of his own creation, he drove them out of Eden>>
Now if we discover immortality somehow, there will be no attributes of God special.

Genesis 4:4
"And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:"

To all the worshipers of God.. God loves fat offerings. He is very partial towards juicier, tempting, pieces of steak. He did not care how much Cain had to work to bring forth a fruit of the ground.

Genesis 4:16-18
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

And so my dear friends, don't fear! God is limited, you are far away from his presence if not in Israel!!

"And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."

"And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech."

Wow!! Whoa Whoa Whoa! So there was an another land!
Where from they come? Were they aliens...
(If not, the people were other "Adam"s of God.. )

Who is that Girl? Who did Cain have sex with?
Not EVE as he was banished far away from EVE!
Then Who??
So many sons, grandsons, grand grandsons? Where from the wives come? "Land of Nod"?

So the answer is INCEST? Is it so? My --- That's a sin!
The Last Questions disturb me a lot, a lot. Please if there is someone who could help me in this plight, please help me... always open to answers...
I will be going to sleep now!! Might I get answers in my dream...
More to come...

Encounter with James Day11

2009-04-25T19:21:00.000-07:00

Donnie.: 25 Apr

What does he want War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Donnie.: 26 Apr

What happened dude??
I am sorry if u are busy... but still it has been 4 days since your last scrap..

It has been 11 days since his last scrap on 22 Apr. James is busy on a new album recording, and probably he has also lost interest.

Encounter with James Day7

2009-04-22T18:05:00.000-07:00

James: 22 Apr

Ok DHONI ...Here we go...today before starting work i wanna answer your questions.

I am sticking to your question of ADAM and EVE and the family growing within the family.

To understand my answer you have to first know the things that happened as mentioned in the bible.
If you read genesis and the story completly you shud know that God first created man and made them in male and females this is in the chapter 1:27
"27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them"
and then in the second chapter he makes ADAM lets read it, it says
"7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul"
I hope you already have seen the diffrence he made the first man with a living soul later, this verse specifically says "and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL"
and then you know later on he made EVE and all other things. So the conclusions is that ADAM and EVE were the first HUMANS

James:

Now when these beings became soul ful beings they were now capable to have a free will and freedom to choose.
When it comes to excersise free will one needs to have something to choose from...If there was only Good to choose from how would good be good ! So god made a simple rule for them to follow. He told them to do everything that they wanted to do in the Garden except to eat the fruit from the tree that is in the center of the garden he specifically said that if you eat it you shall die.Lets read it Genesis 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
and you know the story again how the Devil (Who is devil and where did he come from is another topic,i will talk about it later) first tempted EVE and both ADAM and EVE commited the sin of Disobedience.

James:

If you remember the earlier verse God had said they would die if they eat the fruit, so they did eat the fruit and now it was Gods word to be fulfilled, he must kill, destroy ADAM and EVE for their disobedience. But he dindt kill them but instead made a plan for these humans who fell in to sin which will save them and also keep him righteous in his descision. God being a righteous being, cannot break his own word. if he does that then he is not a righteous person. in this scenario he has to prove his righteousness by doing what he said. So this is what God planned, If he has to leave ADAM and EVE for thier punishment of death, Some one else has to take that sin on him / her and take that punishment of death !
So on that day he left the cursed humans and the cursed creation on their own, till Jesus 2000 years came and lived his life as a righteous person and died as a sinless person to pay the price that our ancestors ADAM and EVE committed.

James:

Now from the time that started from ADAM and EVE till you and me were born the HUMAN RACE has grown Mentally, Emotionally, Spiritually. The Earlier human nature was not the same as today is, we have learnt from our ancestors from the past what to do and what not to do.we were brutal and ruthless and very less sophisticated beings mentally and emotionally as we today are. So if you look at Gods nature in the past as written in the books he is also very brutal and strict in his guide lines that he gives to the people of that time, in the process of teaching that generation. A father beats his child ruthlessy in his adolecence when he commits wrong to teach him, that beating can also be mocked as brutle and heartless but only the father knows what will teach his son or daughter to learn what is good and what is Bad.If you read Leviticus and numbers and Exodus you will get most of the material to MOCK God and ask questions on what he asked and did in those times.

James:

Coming back to the original question....
So in those very first days of human race with ADAM and EVE and CAIN and ABLE, yes they must have mingled with each other to get their offsprings, today after almost 6000 years we know the relations and the depth of relations between our offsprings, like we have father mother and Sister and brother,and the rules about physical behaviour, these words and relations were not even coined in those days.They were the PILOT batch of the humans that we have become today. Thats what God has been doing since generations till today, teaching the malfunctioned creation how to live and love each other and follow GOD. A bible reader or a christian knows what Gods plan was and is, which had a start and which also has a end.

I hope this give your answer to your first question of adam and eve and they sleeping with their parents and siblings.

Donnie.:

James James James.... Wait...
You got my question wrong, dude...
I asked you about breaking God's rule... ("Which is transcedent ("Out of Space and Time")") I dint ask you anything about the morality of the "PILOT batch".

I ask you what about the breaking of God's Law... That he gave to Moses... Why do you want to trap God in Space and time... God is transcendent, and his laws alike.?
God will never like you commit a sin, which is due to his discoveries...

Donnie.:

And, at least in some cases, is punishable by death.

And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:11

And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:12

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. -- Leviticus 20:14

God commanded...) None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his (or her) nakedness: I am the Lord. (Lev 18.6)

Go figure.

Encounter with James Day5

2009-04-20T18:57:00.000-07:00

Donnie.: 18 Apr

pk then.. Let's start from Genesis Chap 1...

Acc to Bible...
In the beginning there was nothing....
God created Animal, Water, air, e.t.c and Adam on six days, and last day Eve...
He made Eve one day later out of a rib of Adam.
And named her woman, "man's wife".
Adam and Eve had sons Cain and Abel.

Donnie.:

Now I say...
If there was nothing And god made only one planet where from the eight other planets come from??

If you say one day in genesis period can be equal to billion years, I have to say Adam had to wait for Eve for a billion years!!
If God made Eve out of Adam's ribs, then why is a Man's rib bone number equal to an Woman's rib bone number??

Was God a pure chauvinist??
Why did he create male first? If he created Man in his own Image, Is God a male entity?
If he created a Woman because Man was lonely or needed to procreate, why didn't he think earlier about a Woman? and kept Adam waiting for a billion years...

Why a man's wife? Why can't a woman be independent of man? Did God create the present difficulties of a woman's life in those days not thinking of the future?

Donnie.:

The only family in the world to procreate was Adam's family, with their two sons...
Why did God made Adam's family commit a sin of incest??
the worst sin for a human being..
Did Cain and Abel had sex with their mother (the only woman) to take on this world...
Did they have sex with their children also??
And Did their children had sex among them??

Watch the Bible divert your attention towards Cain's life towards Egypt, how did the people in Egypt come, were they aliens...( if not the people were other Adam's of God..

I know these questions are hard-hitting, but answer them and you will get my ideas..

Donnie.: 19 Apr

I was waiting for ur answers...

Donnie.: 20 Apr

I am still waiting!!

James: 20 Apr

Dear donnie,
I dont not have time on weekends and cannot answer you on those days, please take a note of it.
I wish i could say to you to read the bible once before asking these questions but i know you wud think you alreyd have read or i dont wanna anser your questions.
And also these questions are Ages old and not new, if you google it you will find answers for yourself.
But i am not asking you to do that, please give me some time, i work in the day and in the evening i have my home and some other priorities.
So chill back and wait for my answers.
Dont draw conclusion and feel happy about it !!!

Proverbs 11:2
2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace,
but with humility comes wisdom.

Donnie.:

The questions may be famous... Things to watch out for is...

How God defends himself...

To my best knowledge... nothing was out of context...

For your sake I dropped the delicious topic of the ("cockeyed") The Great Flood...
And started from the beginning of the Bible... From ("Rather incestuous") Genesis...

I am nobody to give chance to an Idea or something... Fittest Theories can survive the most cold attitude of men...

And coming to your 40 authors, 66 versions, 3 continents, multi-language-culture, One Bible. That is why I find Bible as Plagiarized, and full of Contradictions in itself.

Donnie.:

Though Stick to my Original question regarding "Incestor Ancestors" I will be waiting Patiently now.

I get diverted to a topic very easily, And was diverting again, but I stopped, And kept patiently waiting for the answer regarding "Incestor Ancestors"

Encounter with James Day2

2009-04-20T18:33:00.000-07:00

I was very excited to read his answers... And needed someone like him to answer something I ponder the whole day on...
Thus I scrapped him...

Donnie.: 17 Apr

recently in a forum named Big Bang theory I found your contributions to make God omnipresent...

I have some questions for you to answer... Plzz if you dont mind Can I continue??

But I was to restless to wait for a day for which was not even 0.01 % of my actual Question.

Donnie.: 17 Apr

Since the the fellow beings have precisely and accurately measured the age of earth (though may not be accurate for some "followers") which is circa 4.5 billion BC,
(I think the oldest fossilized organism is at least 2.3 and 3.5 billion years before the present)

in comparison to this, biblical error of creation is 5975 BC, we can see that its completely non-sense and less then 2 millionth of the real age of our earth!!

James:

Hello Donnie...
nice to know your interest in the bible and the origins of life.

You said "Since the the fellow beings have precisely and accurately measured the age of earth" and then the age calculated says CIRCA 4.5 billion BC.
Hope you know what CIRCA (Approximately) means and BC stands for (Before Christ), if you reference a person from the bible to tell me the age of earth and then say the biblical age of the earth is wrong then it sounds a lil more nonsense than the Biblical calculation of earth according to you.
And more over many of the So called Atheists have this question and before even checking what they are claiming to be wrong they call it nonsense.
The Bible doesnt say anything about the age of the earth, the 6000 year caluclation is the calulation of the timeline from adam till christ.
Infact if you read genesis it says God took a lot of time in creating things, 7 days it says, not the 24 hour day cause God created this time that we are living in so his work cannot be measured with the same

James: 17 Apr

Thermodynamics says Mass and energy do not have any control on themselves, if left on their own in a motion there are only 2 possibilities, either it satys as it was in the bigining and keeps spining or takes very random and messy form. Nothing even close to what a atom does or a body cell does..
I feel till DNA was discovered Evolution had a tiny chance to be true, but its surprising that even after knowing that we are a 4 digit code machines we still want to belive this humongusly complicated code which is unique to every creature without any link to each other was formed but millions and trillions of spining of MASS & ENERGY ....You decide which one sounds more nonsense.

James:

so those 7 days can be billion or trillion years if converted to the time that you an i live in but also can be actually shorter than what we presume, you see its a totally diffrrent dimension conversion ratio.
So the conlusion is that the biblical calclulation of 6000 years is the calculation of time from ADAM till today and not the age of the earth !!
The radiometric calculation of Earth is correct and precise in the Same time dimension as we are now living in and i dont argue about that.
Please get your basics right before claiming something to be non sense especially when you think millions and trillions of years of Just the spining of mass and energy gets you a complex life form like humans and earth is not non sense.

Donnie.:

The greatest error in Bible which I have found out myself and all credits goes to me!!

i.e. God only saved 4 couples (eight persons) On board ala carte Noah's Ark...
But other animals only a couple!!! What partiality he bestowed upon the animal race...

By the way it was God's wish!! Baddi logo ki Baddi baatein!!
Thing to ponder is... How could men and women equal in ratio be accountable ("able" in smooth terms!!) for such a surge in human population..

In clearer words... Adam was created in 5975 BC... 'Great flood' 2256 years after Adam i.e. 3719 BC.
To raise a successful generation free from diseases and err-mutations the success ratio needs to be 20:80, 20 males and 80 females, not god proposed 1:1 duel!!

Present Evolutionist claim that for life to bond in leaps the ratio of males:females at least 20:80 or they will all die!! else cripple in handicap and go extinct.
It is impossible for the Great flood to happen...

More reasons to come... Have good Night's sleep...

Donnie.:

I respect your answers and your belief upon thy god... but...

Donnie.:

I asked you a question and I don't think that i got the answer of my respective question...

I told you the oldest fossilized organism is at least 2.3 and 3.5 billion years before the present... my question was not completely about earth...
but the oldest organism... which is two million times older than mentioned in bible...

And my another thing to claim was the futility of the theory of the Great flood and falsity of the same...

James:

First thing dude, stop mocking things by using words like non and falsity.
If you intention is to get answers then ask questions and not just show your smartness or your intelligence to prove things without knowing the issue it self.
For your information if you read what i wrote it said God made things in the slot of 7 days of his time. and i guess if you atleast make and attempt to read oce on what you are mocking. please Google for |Genesis chapter 1 and read it, it says God created all the creature in those 8 days now if you looking for the word dianoausors in the bible then you wont find it.
And bout the flood, its a almost proven fact not just thru bible but by many scientist also that a catostrophic event of flood did happen in the past many other cultures also have the mention of the global flood.
I will get back to in detai on the flood later.\Lets take one topic at a time.

I realized we were not heading a same answer... but we were answering different answers from different questions irrespective of each other!

So... According to his idea "Let's take one topic at a time" I began with the Genesis Chap-1
And became more patient on waiting, as I wanted a definite answer now... no more Chaos.

Encounter with James Day1

2009-04-20T18:20:00.000-07:00

<<James

I found an honest and straight forward man who could answer all the anti-theist questions, that people ask, with complete sense of the both worlds of spirituality and Science...

I came across a community in Orkut A Brief History of Time
And found James' defense for God... As follows... in THE BIG BANG...

11/11/2006

ZaRaThUsTrA

just one question.........

so what was god doin before he created the universe...according to you if he is etrenal?

13/11/2006

James

i was away..sorry for the delay

before and after....these terms itself are related with time...if the thing called time didnt exist then so do before and after also dont exist....The creator of the time cannot be bounded in time itself...to understand eternity you need to understand that eternity cannot be measured with time

God exists outside of time. Cause he created time and he cannot fall in that same dimension which he himself created.
Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have existed from eternity. Therefore, God created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us.
Second thing
God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimension of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimension of time can travel anywhere in time and never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.

I hope this answers buddy...if you are not sure about any terms or any ideas above please feel free to reply...
I would be more than Glad

James

@Sanjana

Who or what is God...
Let me Explain
This planet and all the things that man has discovered so far can be scientifically classified only under 2 things. MASS and ENERGY...
What ever you see and feel around is Mass and the moving capability is because of enerygy.

Science proves that mass and Energy does not have controll on themsleves and if they were left all alone on their own they will take the most wildest and confused and random form around itself and would end up in a messed up state.(whicc contradicts with big bang, big bang says all this happened on by Mass and energy itself) But on the contrary when we look aroud and research the behaviour of Mass and Energy around us we conclude that they are not in a mess but rather following some rules, patterns and peculiar behaviour.I have a whole documentation of the complexity and accuracy of our natural laws and how preciesly they are harmonised (Again harmonizing needs intelligence and cannot happen by fluke or just evolve).

Now there has to be something more than mass and energy that can control on this mass and energy or that can shape or mold or design this Mass and Energy as we see it around us today.

That third power canonnt itself be mass and energy cause we just saw what it does onits own..
That third power that governs the universe is called as GOD or Creator.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

God bless

04/08/2008

James

Yeah he contorls, not in a way like controlling puppets and running a show, but like controlling a son with a fathers authority. Not telling his SON what he shud do but telling him what wrong he is doing and correcting him.

We are free will beings that he made and not robots, if you choose not to belive in him it is your choice and he is not going to force you and convert your mind to belive in him.
He is a pure gentleman and gives everyone his chance to either choose him or not to choose him, thats why its said we all choose what we get, and we all will get what we choose in this life that we temporarily live in.
God is perfect and he made this world a perfect place for his creation "The free will beings" to choose him or not choose him.

Let me tell you what the histroy has noted in the books about the real god and the explnation that perfectly sings along the things you see around.

We were made perfect but it was us who choosed the bad and broke Gods command.
And thats why God had to put the human race in this situation to learn and understand his will.

But thats not all for me I need to know much much more "What believer's believe".

The Origins of Life

2008-10-02T09:37:00.000-07:00

The Origins of Life, described hypothetical conditions which he felt would have been necessary for life to first come into existence on early Earth.
He thought the atmosphere was made largely of water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), carbon monoxide (CO), nitrogen (N2), methane (CH4), and ammonia (NH3). As the surface of Earth cooled again, torrential rains of this mixture formed the first seas, the “primordial soup.”

Lightening, ultraviolet (UV) radiation, and volcanic action all were more intense than they are now.

First, organic monomers (simple sugars, amino acids, fatty acids, and nucleotides) would have to be synthesized abiotically from inorganic substances like methane, carbon dioxide, and ammonia. This hypothesis was later tested by an experiment done by Stanley Miller as a grad student under Harold Urey in 1953. H2O, H2, CH4 and NH3 (at that time, thought to be components of the early atmosphere) were placed in a sterile, closed system. Heat was added to mimic the heat from volcanic activity, and electric sparks were provided to mimic lightening. After one week, the contents of this system had turned from clear to a murky, brown color. A chemical analysis showed a number of organic compounds were present, including several amino acids and simple sugars. Other researchers have since tried similar experiments with slight variations in the initial mix of chemicals added, and by now, all 20 amino acids, and a number of sugars, lipids, and nucleotides have been obtained in this manner. From this experiment, scientists generalize that if this can happen in a lab, it could have happened in a similar way on early Earth.
The second step would be the formation of organic polymers and genetic material from the existing monomers (polysaccharides from simple sugars, proteins from amino acids, and RNA from nucleotides), possibly using hot sand or finely divided clay as a catalyst.
Thirdly, it is thought that non-living aggregates of these polymers formed. These may have exhibited some properties characteristic of living organisms, but were NOT ALIVE, and did not have all the properties of living organisms. In a research laboratory, scientists have seen mixtures of proteins, lipids, and carbohydrates form globules. If the proteins involved happen to be enzymes, these globules can even carry on "metabolic" activity, although they have no means to replicate themselves. Simultaneous to this, the genetic code would have to have arisen. Several widely-accepted theories as to how this may have happened include the possibly involvement of damp, zinc-containing clay as a catalyst to help the nucleotides polymerize first into RNA, and later into DNA.
It is thought, then, that about 4.1 to 3.5 bya, the first prokaryotes, like bacteria, came into existance. It is difficult to pinpoint a date for this because bacteria don't have skeletons to leave behind. The first “fossils” (remains of colonies/secretions) of prokaryotes seem to be this age. These would have been very simple cells without many of the organelles present in modern cells, especially modern eukaryotes. Once the first cells, the first living organisms, the first prokaryotes came into existance, then the Theory of Evolution takes over to provide an explanation for how (not why) these primitive cells diversified into the five kingdoms of life which we recognize today. Initially, the energy needed for growth and development was supplied by glycolysis and fermentation. There was no free oxygen in the early atmosphere, and indeed, any organisms living back then would have probably been poisoned/killed by this highly-reactive chemical. Only later, as photosynthetic organisms released increasing amounts of this toxic waste into the atmosphere, did the process of cellular respiration evolve as a means of making use of this oxygen.

Initially, the energy needed for growth and development was supplied by glycolysis and fermentation. There was no free oxygen in the early atmosphere, and indeed, any organisms living back then would have probably been poisoned/killed by this highly-reactive chemical. Only later, as photosynthetic organisms released increasing amounts of this toxic waste into the atmosphere, did the process of cellular respiration evolve as a means of making use of this oxygen.

God: The Failed Hypothesis

2008-09-17T10:29:00.000-07:00

Earth is one planet among ten or so revolving around an atypical star, our sun. On the distance scale of human experience, the solar system is immense. Earth is one hundred and fifty million kilometers from the sun. Pluto is some six billion kilometers away. The Oort cloud of comets, which marks the edge of the solar system, extends to thirty million kilometers from the sun. Although the space between the planets contains smaller asteroids, comets, and dust, the solar system consist mainly of empty space that seem to serve no purpose.

On this distance scale, the planets are tiny points. Yet they are huge on the human scale. The diameter of Earth is 12,742 kilometers. The largest planet, Jupiter, is 139,822 kilometers in diameter.

Beyond the solar system, we find even more space. The next closest star (after the sun), Proxima Centauri, is forty billion kilometers away. This is part of the triple-star system called Alpha Centauri. On this scale we should start using light-years as the unit of distance, where the light-year is the distance traveled by light in a year (9.45 trillion kilometers). The Alpha Centauri system is 4.22 light-years away. Note that multiple-star systems, which are very common, do not provide the kind of orbital stability we experience on Earth that is very important to our survival. It would seem that only single-star systems are likely to support life, another indication that life is not high on the universe's agenda.

Our sun and its planetary system are well away from the center of a galaxy containing an estimated two hundred to four hundred billion other stars. Call the "Milky Way," after the band of stars we see across the sky on a clear night, our visible galaxy is a flat, spiral disk one hundred thousand light years across, and about ten thousand light-years thick.

The Milky Way is but one of perhaps a hundred billion galaxies in the visible universe. We have two satellite galaxies, just outside the Milky Way, the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds. The next galaxy nearest to us, Andromeda, is 2.44 million light-years away.

And, you might ask, how big is the universe? The farthest observed galaxy at this writing, Abell 1835 IR1916, is 13.2 billion light-years away, Since it has taken 13.2 billion years for its light to reach us, and the current estimate of the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, we are seeing this galaxy as it was only five hundred million years after the start of the big bang. Because the universe has been expanding since the light left Abell, this galaxy is now about forty billion light-years away.

The farthest distance we can ever hope to see, what is called our horizon, is 13.7 billion light-years from Earth. Beyond that, light would take longer than the age of the universe to reach us. As vast as is the universe within our horizon, cosmology suggests that a far vaster one lies beyond. If the inflationary big bang model of the early universe is correct, then in a tiny time interval (something like 10^-35 second, the universe expanded in size by a factor that is almost impossible to imagine. Here is one estimate of that factor: Write down the number 1 and follow it by a hundred zeroes. Then raise the number 10 to that power (10 to 10¹⁰⁰). I have not been able to think of any analogy from common experience or science to help visualize that number. The size of the visible universe (10²⁶ meters) is only 10⁶¹ times larger than the smaller distance that can be defined, the Planck distance (10^-35 meter).

In short, if God created the universe as a special place for humanity, he seems to have wasted an awfully large amount of space where humanity will never make an appearance.

He wasted a lot of time, too. Instead of six days, he took nine billion years to make Earth, another billion years or so to make life, and then another four billion years to make humanity. Humans have walked on Earth for less than one-hundredth of one percent of Earth's history.

In fact, when you think of it, why would an infinitely powerful God even need six days? Wouldn't he have the ability to create everything in an instant? And, why would he have to rest when he was all done?

Paganism and Bible

2008-09-17T10:20:00.000-07:00

I have spent a good deal of time researching the connection between paganism and the Bible and there is a massive amount of plagiarized themes that are in the bible from older Assryo-Babylonian religions as well as Greek and Egyptian.

This includes most of the major characters, Moses - Bacchus, Jesus- Mithras just as a few examples.

From a historical perspective Jesus also fails to meet the litmus test.

Jospheus Antiquities mention of Jesus was latter admitted by Christians to be a forged entry and Pliny the Younger is a more reputable entry however it does date the appearance of Jesus much later and coincides with Luke writing of the Synoptic Gospels.

If the real question of all these debates is “Does God Exist”? I always come back to “What evidence is there”? and the answer I always hear is you must have faith.

I have been taught that faith without fact is ignorance.

How much choice did God have in constructing the universe?

2008-09-17T10:12:00.000-07:00

Einstein once asked the question:

"How much choice did God have in constructing the universe?"

Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?... Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing? Is the unified theory so compelling that it brings about its own existence? Or does it need a creator, and, if so, does he have any other effect on the universe? And who created him? ¹⁸⁴

... if we do discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists, and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God. ¹⁸⁵

^{Quoted from Brief History of Time}

Bible is a Dangerous Moral Guide

2008-09-13T06:18:00.000-07:00

When there is no evidence to prove God....
How can we believe the bible to be his word??

Even if its proved there's a an imaginary friend visible to only psychopaths...

We can't support claim to prove Bible's honesty!!

The precepts, the teachings, and the worse form of science, and those philosophy which cannot be accepted by the 20th century man are inherent character of the bible..

The truth about quoting lines from God's speech is a simple myth by Jewish and Christian priests.. That bible is a human Creation can be proved by the data following..

Honesty

Truth is what we expect from such a holy book as Bible..

but as i assumed earlier that deception is what it has in store for us..

In Jeremiah, chap-20, verse 7, the writer complains....

"O god thou hast deceived me".

In chap-4, verse 10, Jeremiah has charged God with deception. He says...

"Ah, Lord God, surely thou hast deceived the people of Jerusalem".

In the chap-22 of 1st king. It's said,

"And the Lord said we shall persuade Ahab through a lying spirit.

Behold the lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of prophets".

The story of "the great flood" is full of falsity and improper data.

In chap-7 of Genesis it's said,

"It rained for forty days and forty nights.

It rained 15 cubits high and the mountains were covered".

A cubit being 1 foot and 6 inches, the flood was 22 and a half ft. deep.

Mt. Everest and Mt. Arafat are 29,000 and 17,260 ft. respectively.

What a shame is to say that God-inspired Bible is utterly wrong!!

Would a rational being in search of truth believe that, Dinosaurs, Giant mammoths, or simply the Elephant could squeeze through a 18 sq. inches of a window or door as people like to say.

Was it not important for aquatic animals to be killed??

Or the animals and human-beings on a high altitude settlement??

Now let's take a look unto the book, spotless for falsehood..

In chap-3 of Romans, St. Paul says..

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory".

According to St. Paul, falsity may be required in the service to the holy spirit..

and it's nothing wrong with it!!

But Humane Moral Conduct lies in truthfulness..

Helped By Begone Godmen By A. Kovoor

On Against the fool-hardy idea

2008-09-10T20:05:00.001-07:00

First of all let us take a look at the world..
Then at the planets and satellites of our solar system..
And then at the galaxies and the quasars..

Looking out at all the directions, the astronomer sees countless stars and planets as our own system..

And estimations show that there are more than 10^21
things just like our solar system..

An inconceivable number... scattered at an inconceivable distance..
from us..

Since every thing is in very far away... We can perceive the billion years old light coming from this places..

The observable universe has a radius of 1 billion light years.. This is not at all the entire universe.. but as much as we can perceive... so in that way universe is way bigger than our thought...

Within the observable universe, estimation is 10^8 galaxies.. some are bigger then milky way..

There are at least 10^6 planetary systems in milky way alone..

With the idea of perfect environmental factors for initialization of life..
There is many more earth-like planets in the universe..
Why this minute speck of dust which we call earth is prime selection of God..

Since the scientists have precisely and accurately measured the age of earth which is circa 4.5 billion BC, in comparison to this, biblical error of creation is 5975 BC, we can see that its completely non-sense and less then 2 millionth of the real age of our earth..

Why should the almighty god would gift life only into this planet??
only for partiality.. !! ??
Why not any other planet??

Why has benevolent god let mankind to take over all his creation on this world??
Why his majesty is accountable for the evil thoughts in our brain??

Look at the deadly fangs of a young cobra!!
You will find earth is no lesser hell...
While u look at the serenity of the Himalayas!!
earth is no lesser heaven..